[Skaven] Gutter Runner build

[Gus Gus]

Hi y'all. Was discussing this on my Intro thread but decided here is the better place for it.

Am looking at ideal builds for Gutter Runners. I used to play 2 and had them geared towards 1-turn TDs.

Want to break away from that and avoid being a one trick pony. I now run 4 and I'd like to surprise an opponent who thinks "oh wow, the big scary gutter runner's coming after me, oh mummy help me please" and then see his face when "big scary Gutter Runner" actually turns out to be the biggest thorn in his side all match!

I was thinking of decent skill sets and thinking
Wrestle, Side Step, Leap as almost definite ones.

Others in consideration are Shadowing, Diving Tackle, Strip Ball plus misc mutations.

Any advice gladly accepted

[VoidSeer]

I don't play Skav, but I like the old wrestle, dauntless, horn build. It makes a very nice safety

[Thanatos]

Well there are multiple effective builds for the Gutter Runners (my favourite player in the game).

Of those I play with I tend to build one as a 1-turn TDer, one as a Blitzer, one as a ball extracter and the last is whatever.

1-turn TDer: Sprint, Sure Feet & +1 Mv
Blitzer: Block/Wrestle, Horns/Dauntless, Tackle & Strip Ball
Ball Extracter (i.e. You have somehow knocked the ball carrier over inside a cage & now there are 15 tackle zones on the ball): Sure Hands, Big Hand, (Two Heads/Leap+Long Legs)
Plus whatever else as desired, perhaps a Pass Blocker (VLLegs,Pass BLock, Catch&+1AG has you intercepting on a 3+ with a RR)

I would never build all 4 in the same path as that becomes just as boring as have four 1-turn TDers.

"dauntless, horn build" Do those skill stack? I was sure that you get the +1 from Horns before you roll Dauntless thus making the combo less optimal.

[VoidSeer]

You make your daunless roll before using horn; the two skills do stack

[Marlow]

Originally Posted by VoidSeer

You make your daunless roll before using horn; the two skills do stack

LRB 4 Rules was the last time they stacked.

What sort of League are you playing in and how many games do you expect to play? The longer you have to develop your runners the better they can become.

Having a defensive runner with Block, Side Step, Shadowing and Diving Tackle is wonderful however that would take about 17 Touchdowns. Assuming you are spreading Touchdowns as evenly as you can among Runners you are probably looking at least a dozen games, more if you are not winning.

As it is relatively easy to get to two skills (16 SPP's) I think it is best to work out which skills will be of most use against your opponents first. For instance Leap is great for cage breaking, but if your opponents never cage it will only help you with scoring.

[Candlejack]

dauntless roll before horns was lrb 4.. since lrb 5 you get the horns bonus before dauntless thus making the dauntless roll easier..

[Coach]

Dauntless and Horns don't stack any more in the same way, I did put that in the Gutter Runner guide...

I think first off you want to protect them as they take a lot of heat, so Block or Wrestle as the first skill and then Side Step is super awesome as the second. Then I would look to specialise from there unless you rolled doubles in the mean time.

Just having Block/Wrestle and Side Step though makes them even better players. You can attract blitzes, hold up players, force dodges, stall cages, occupy multiple opponents. I do the same with Human Catchers as well, tried, tested and works a charm.

[Marlow]

Block/Wrestle and Side Step is a good route to follow.
Personally I would give one of them Leap as a second skill to aid in cage breaking.

[Gus Gus]

A lotta food for thought there. Thanks guys!

I liking the idea of getting them all Side Step as a second skill and alternate Block and Wrestle as their first.

The Block and Side Step Runners can then be given defensive skills to help them stall and force errors if possible.

Would Tackle be a handy skill to add? Wrestle and Tackle would almost guarantee the ball carrier is going down half the time but it's another skill and their may be better ones? Thoughts?

I do like Leap on my Runners since that skill saved two of my Runners' lives (funny story which I can relate later) and it helps to get in or out of cages.

At the moment I am on the PC in single player - no-one really plays on the board any more. Pass Block I don't think will be much use until I join my friends' online league as I don't think I've ever seen the AI player pass the ball.

(as a side question can I take my single player campaign team online or do I need to build a new one once I go online?)

Shadowing and/or Diving Tackle would be good on at least one Runner... obvious question probably but if my Runner has both skills and fails one can I try the other?

As for how quickly I can get these skills, so far my recent track record says never! Played two games vs. Lizardmen and lost both 2-0, 2 players dead and two seriously hurt... not a good run!
I have got a Linerat with Block now though so that's something

EDIT: out of interest - on a double for a Runner's first or second skill - what's the general concensus for the best skill to take? Probably a mutation but there might be better ideas.

[Coach]

Linerat doubles are either Dodge or Guard, both are more useful than the mutations for them.

As for Shadowing and Diving Tackle, the opponent attempts to dodge away. You can choose to use Diving Tackle if it makes any difference. If Diving Tackle won't work, then don't use it and make the opponent roll for Shadowing instead. If you used Diving Tackle on the dodge and then they rerolled it and succeeded (Diving Tackle applies to the reroll as well) then you can't use Shadowing as your player is now prone.

Think you need to make a new team to play online, though I prefer stuntyleeg.com over the Cyanide game. Tackle does indeed combine with Wrestle if you get that far.