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Cyanide BB Manager

Discussion in 'General Blood Bowl News and Discussion' started by Rav3n73, Mar 7, 2011.

  1. Rav3n73

    Rav3n73 Member

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    Hi,

    Can anyone enlighten me on what BB Manager is? I've heard it banded around this forum a few times.

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  2. Gallows Bait

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    Its a community made application that you can download and load match files into from Cyanide BB to analyse the dice results held in the log.

    A number of leagues use it for recording their matches, as do some players purely for their own information.
     
  3. Rav3n73

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    Do we use it in the Crunch Cup, will I need it to participate.
     
  4. Gallows Bait

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    Its been encouraged to load them for people to be able to view, but not obligatory I don't think.

    They do help for people seeing some of the stats - like the threads Netsmurf created where the stat images updated from BB Manager and not the game itself.
     
  5. Etheric

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    You don't need it, but I find it very helpful.

    Also if you have it you can download all the replays of all the games that have been uploaded too, which is great.

    A great tool, reasonably easy to use, I highly recommend it.

    One of the hardest things in the game is to seperate bad play from bad luck. Something dumb that works because your opponent rolls a lot of 6s is hard to seperate from something smart that works because you made some easier rolls. Similarly did you fail because you rolled a load of 1s or because you were trying osmething silly?

    BBmanager is great for looking at things like that.
     
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    It's also used for storing and sharing replays. I reccomend to use it.
     
  8. Lebe666

    Lebe666 Well-Known Member

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    How do I know that I had bad luck in BB Manager ?
     
  9. SorroW

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    You download the Application. Run it. and then Submit your match.

    Then you can view your match, and below both one T6 and 2T6 there is a number. from - to +.

    The lower you get the worse your dice have been.

    I have seen matches with -25 or something like that (don't doubt people have had worse luck then that though) and about the same in the positive, +25.

    Just remember that it takes ALL dice of the kind in consideration. Not why, when and where you failed. So a match can look pretty good, but you failed the important once so it feels rubbish.

    /SorroW
     
  10. Netsmurf

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    Must say that I have stopped using its stats to see if I have been lucky or not, be course it does not take into consideration if it was a turnover or not. I only see the stats as fun and look upon my snakeeye %.
     
  11. Etheric

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    I do find it quite useful. Had one game, at least to confirm general trends, it is gives useful feeback on if you are doing the right thing or not. As you say it is not perfect, the big one being as you say it should keep a record of the number of turnovers you give up on d6 rolls.

    Seeing how many injury rolls you give up, or what the armour break % is can be quite helpful. Clearly when the injuries happen is important too, but a general guide.

    Clearly there are rolls which are a lot more important than others, and when they come up is important too.

    Being 3/10 of KO rolls is either a bit unlucky or it could be a complete disaster as you hae 3 players KOed for much of hte match who fail multiple rolls then make the one before T16.

    As I have said before I find it difficult sometimes to see if I have been lucky or outplayed my opponent with a win etc.
     
  12. Lebe666

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    I installed it yesterday to see how my luck went during a game. Lets see.

    Also I thought it had a replay thingy... but apparently its in Blood Bowl itself only.
     
  13. Gallows Bait

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    Once a match is uploaded to BB Manager, anyone can export it back to BB to view as a replay, but yes, you do have to watch them through BB.
     
  14. Lebe666

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    Its so slow... argghh
     
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    If you press the + and - signs on the numeric pad on your keyboard it should speed the replay up and slow it down respectively. There are various different speeds that you can watch it at.

    It would of course be better if there was a rewind, or fast-forward function, but being able to change the speed is better than nothing!
     
  16. Rusty

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    I thought he meant BBM is so slow, which it definitely is. And probably almost as bad to use as the Cyanide multiplayer interface. Useful though...!
     
  17. Lebe666

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    I don't have a numeric pad... pressing my "+" sign doesn't seem to make it faster unfortunately.

    Managed to put a game from 2 days ago into the BB manager... mostly average results. Except for dauntless... -56 !! Dauntless almost never works for me... :(
     
  18. Nikolai II

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    USB numeric keypads can be had for $20 ;)

    Else laptops without numeric keypads usually have one "hidden" in the ordinary keyboard, accessible through some function key or other.
     
  19. Lebe666

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    Found the "hidden" + sign !! Thanks.

    Also found out that in a game I failed 46% of Go For it. While my foe managed 96% GFI ... he did more than twice than I.
     
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  20. danton

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    Don't start getting too obsessed with those stats! Sure they can give you some indications about luck, but they don't paint a very complete picture of the dice rolls, or tell you anything regarding the decisions you made during a game!

    If you do want to analyze your games then you are better off looking at the replays and seeing where you could have done things differently. It helps if you expect most of your moves to fail before you try them too! ;)