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Crunch Cup XV - Divisions

Discussion in 'Crunch Cup' started by Nikolai II, Apr 6, 2015.

  1. Nikolai II

    Nikolai II Super Moderator Moderator

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    Might have been that I should have gone for divisions of six teams, and in the next Crunch Cup I shan't write that divisions will certainly be eight and instead give me some leeway.

    But with pieces of eight, these are the three divisions. Matchday threads coming right up.

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  2. Dionysian

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    any idea of playoff size? (I'm assuming it's one of 8, 12 or 16)
     
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    I hope its best of 16, gives me a chance to get into the playoffs:p
     
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    The playoffs will have a straight elimination ladder. The amount of teams in the ladder will be the multiple of 2 that best fits to give at least 1/3 but less than 2/3 of the teams a place in the playoffs. (By the nature of things there should only be one such number.)


    This would make it 8
     
  5. Nikolai II

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    Hmm..

    I think I might prefer 16 actually. Any complaints if I change the rule to "more than a third, but no more than two thirds of the teams"?

    (You'll have to complain hard and fast, because I do like bigger playoffs ;))
     
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    Im with you Dreamy:D
     
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    not loving 12 man playoffs? everyone at both ends of the table is fighting for something all the way through the group stages
     
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    16 could mean 12 in the play off + the next 2-3 of each div in the wildcards.
     
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    I am ok with any of the 3 possible choices (8, 12, 16). Any more than 16 would make me wonder why bother having a group stage at all, except to facilitate some fun friendlies.

    My preference would be 12, actually, but 16 is much easier to administer. 8 makes the playoff spots very meaningful and hard to get, but does create the "I started 0-2-2, and now my last 3 games are probably meaningless" problem.
     
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  10. Nikolai II

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    How does one arrange a 12 player playoff? Three playoffs of 4 teams each and "best loser" carries on with the three winners?
     
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    Usually the top 4 seeds skip the first round, then play as per normal (so it goes 12 - 8 - 4 - 2 - 1).

    American college basketball uses it frequently.
     
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    what strat said

    in this case:

    16 man playoff = top 5 of every group + 1 6th. the top few spots in each division can go to sleep for the 2nd half of the season (and perhaps more importantly are incentivized not to fight for games) yaaaawwwwwn :p

    12 man playoff = group winners + best 2nd get seeded, the other 2nds through to 4th fight in the prelim round of playoffs. making the second half of the group stages meaningful whether you started 4-0-0 or 1-0-3
     
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  13. Nikolai II

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    Yea, well, problem in Cyanide is they don't handle playoffs that well, but if there's a handy way to handle the prelim round to make it just one week..
     
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    if you're the one who creates the prelim round in game you should be able to just delete it after the first round to avoid the extra games on prelim teams.

    it's not really any different from what you did for cc13
     
  15. Nikolai II

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    In CC13 it was two weeks of prelim. I dunno if you can delete a league mid-season. It might work, but perhaps something I should have tested first?
     
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    You must be able to.
    BBATTL has done all sort of different ways of qualifying to the final over the years and I am pretty sure that was one of them.
     
  17. Nikolai II

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    I'll have to try it then, just to be sure.

    Or an amusing option could be "Top four in every division, plus 4 wildcards picked at random" :p
     
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    The 4 plus 4 wild cards is better than 5 + 1 wild card if you go for 16 in the play offs.
    Wildcards can then play division 1 top 4 in the 1st round so seeding is a lot easier.
    Top 5 + 1 would make seeding really awkward.
     
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    So what is the format that we are going on with at the play-offs mates? How many teams and will there be any advantages for teams that finish higher? I am asking to have some knowledge of what my goal must be and where to push or go desperate in my games.
     
  20. Nikolai II

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    Ok, now I've finished thinking.

    Top four go on, plus four wild cards picked randomly from people who have played their games and still got some fight left in them. This will probably be the same people who would otherwise play CrC, but I think a good sized playoff is more important. (And one easy to manage is also a big draw ;))