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High Elf Fouling:

Discussion in 'General Blood Bowl News and Discussion' started by Michael, Mar 15, 2013.

  1. Michael

    Michael New Member

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    I would like to know if there is a actual reason for fouling,as last night playing against the Orcs,towards the end my opponent surrounded one of my linesmen with Black Orcs and fouled him,which led to the linesman in question dying. My opponent didn't know that no SPP was gained by fouling and said that he did it to prevent me getting the ball,which makes no sense as I had around 5 tackle zones to run through. Is there a legitimate need to foul,or not,in matches?
     
  2. Rama Set

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    Fouling can be very strategic, and some teams rely on it as big part of their game plan (e.g Goblins). Whether or not that player had a good shot at getting the ball or not is not as important as, do they have a chance at all and can I snuff it out with this foul. Especially where elves are concerned as they have been know to make a miracle play from time to time (or every game ;) ). So yes, as annoying as it might be, there is a legitimate reason to foul. Hope this helps.

    EDIT: You should foul too if you can risk the player getting ejected!
     
  3. Lebe666

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    Its once a turn chance to take out a dangerous player. Usually fouling anything might make you lose ejected players. So foul with low value players always. Evaluate of the cost benefit is worth it... and if you have a good majority of players it makes it easier.
     
  4. Phunbaba

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    Plus one. I know it's very much a part of my Ogre teams strategy. Last game they were in they were up by six snots and I still lost. His AG3 dodge piece moved through my titchy players like they weren't there. If I could of fouled him he wouldn't of been able to do that.

    If you can risk it it can pay off, like taking out a POMB (Pileing On Mighty Blow) player. Which can do quite a number to an elf teams numbers.
     
  5. Kanil

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    You foul if your gameplan involves having more people on the pitch than your opponent.

    Given that an elven player is pretty much better than every other player at everything not involving blocks, most non-elven teams adopt (at least, in part) a "have more people on the pitch than the elves" strategy to compensate.

    One way to accomplish this is to foul. If you plan on playing elves a lot, you'll likely become quite familiar with getting fouled.

    Of course, some people are just trying to hurt your players because they're jerks, but most are just trying to win.
     
  6. Lebe666

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    Elves are good foulers too... you can dodge in lots of assists... DP/SG specialist delivers precise kick to the frontal lobe... :skull:
     
  7. Michael

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    I have no worries if people use fouling as a legitimate Strategy. I do have qualms when they use to just to be jerks though,as it ruins the game,as high-elf players are not cheap to replace,and it can have a detrimental effect on my team,in future matches.
     
  8. SurgeonUFO

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    You might be playing the wrong game :p I see fouling as a strategic imperative with certain teams as already discussed. Secondarily, it is therapy. If I'm frustrated about a game, or if my opponent has been a dick, or if I had a crappy day at work, or if I spilled my beer, then a well placed boot on turn 16 to an opponents star player left open and begging for it is often a perfect remedy. I've also had opponents concede even while ahead after the death of a star player under boot, turning sure losses into wins.

    The other side to the coin is league play. If you're up against your primary competition for a division title, taking out his key players can ensure you a later victory; and in a format where you play the teams more than once it can soften the blows later. Additionally, if there's a competition for fouling as some leagues have then all bets are off!

    The one caveat I think about is retribution. If I'm fouling your best guys turn after turn I'm going to expect you to do the same! If I can't afford to lose a certain piece then I will be much more cautious.
     
  9. danton

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    Players die all the time, so you need to get used to that. Sure, no one enjoys seeing their favourite player getting trampled to death in turn 16 when the game is effectively over, but it's allowed by the rules, so the only additional advice I can give you is not to get too attached to your players! ;)
     
  10. Phunbaba

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    And that turn 16 foul is a whole other thread.
     
  11. Hoverdog

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    turn 16 fouls are the best fouls.
     
  12. Limdood

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    Why someone might foul you even if there is no direct benefit apparent (such as end-of-game fouls):

    1. League play - he's either tryint to make your team weaker for your other opponents, or trying to make your team weaker for the next time you play each other. If you and your opponent are at the top of the league rankings its likely you'll be both going to the playoffs, for example. Alternatively, if you're both near the cutoff and he really doesn't want your team in particular in the playoffs elves or zons vs. dwarves, for example), he might foul you to try to make you lose some of your next games and miss playoffs

    2. fouling retribution - if you've been fouling him all game....well, he's gonna stick it back to you. Similarly, if you've played before, even in a different league, and you did some particularly nasty stuff to his team, he might want some payback.

    3. Action Risk - when someone dodges their very best player into a pack of your guys on turn 16 in a last second bid for 2 more SPPs because "hey, the game is over, i'm just trying to level my guy (at your expense) in a way that gives me no risk at all." Well, i would think that your opponent fouling you back there is completely justified. If you risk your best players hitting the ground, they'll get fouled. Its one of the reasons coach suggests block on kickers, because wrestle might see them on the ground and its a piece you don't want to be without. I just got a MB/PO JU Frenzy Block berserker on my norse team. I can tell you he is going to get protected ALL 16 turns. If he ends up on the ground, i'm putting guys around him to keep him from being fouled effectively!

    4. Let off steam - Maybe he's losing miserably because he's bad, maybe its because of die rolls. Either way, he's probably not happy about it. Seeing a red cross or skull pop up from a foul can really help someone who is watching an entire game go by with nothing to show for it to feel better.

    5. Player safety! - I recently played Fallowheart's nurgle team with my orcs and he had a ST5! nurgle warrior. Well, that warrior found himself in the center of about 6 of my guys and my dirty player. The first thing he did on his turn was to stand up and try to foul one of my downed black orcs with his ST5 NW. Why? he literally couldn't break armor with all the negative assists....it was impossible to roll high enough. It turns out he was trying to get his warrior sent to the safety of the penalty box. After all, being gang fouled by a dirty player has similar odds of injury as a stunty player getting booted off the pitch into the crowd....not good survival odds for a really high value piece.

    6. Guy is a jerk/vindictive/likes pain - needs no explanation.
     
  13. Rama Set

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    Lets not forget that it helps discourage Piling On!
     
  14. Deluge

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    I nearly always attempt to foul big guys off the field. A high armor value can be countered with enough assists and Thick Skull only lowers the chance of getting KO'd, not injured. Even stunning him is a result in itself.

    Just recently I played a game against an undead coach and I was of course scared of his two Mightyblow Mummies. So by turn 9 I had fouled them both off the pitch and won easily.

    You simply can't get attached to your Gutter Runners or similar squishy players, they get fouled when ever the opponent gets the chance!
     
  15. Everblue

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    This is good advice, although I still definitely get too attached. Took -1AG last night on my star ST4 lineman. Shouted at the kids this morning.
     
  16. kaos001

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    Fouling players to encourage the other team to quit stalling and score is also a valid strategy.
     
  17. coachman

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    There is a game mechanic for fouling so its just another tool at your disposal. You cannot complain because some one does something that's plainly spelled out in the rules.
     
  18. Coach

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    I've never understood that, I'll happily let you foul my team in exchange for stalling :bothdown:
     
  19. Rama Set

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    I employ that tactic when I am so outpostioned, outmanned, outgunned that I have no hope in hell of getting to the ball carrier. Instead, I try and make every turn painful and potentially crippling to their team. Its all I have.
     
  20. kaos001

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    Yup, that is pretty much is the long and short of it.